A conversation I wish was in some hole-in-the-wall bar over pitchers of cheap beer and the tables pushed together.
I’d trace the condensation on my glass as we exchanged stories.
I’d tell you all that I’m uncertain of. Jamie would agree and go put quarters in the jukebox. REM's Losing My Religion would start playing. Mum of Six would chime in and say that the song was bloody amazing, followed by, "What the hell am I going to do with my life?" Then, Rosa would secretly buy the mp3 for everyone because that’s just how she is. As 26 placed an order for cheese sticks, Barb and her biker jacket would walk in, coconut water in hand, and say, “Sup, bitches?” Meanwhile, a guy off in the corner would buy us a round and later join the conversation. We’d find out afterward that it was Elliot.
I don't know what I enjoyed reading more - the comments on the religion post or the answers to your questions. I just kept scrolling and scrolling, feeling very much like it was a conversation. I sensed courage when I read words like agnostic and atheist. And, maybe I am wrong to attribute courage to such admissions as I suppose it takes bravery to say you're a Christian, too, especially in the presence of atheists. I'm just speaking for myself, how I was raised, and the way I viewed atheists - the very word seemed synonymous with bad and evil, as though the god I believed in owned morality, goodness, and love.
I don't really know when my faith began to evolve. I remember questioning the existence of hell in my twenties, reading all I could by "emergent" Christian authors many believed to be heretical. "You're on a slippery slope," some said, without having read any of these books.
From there, I began exploring atheism, almost subscribing, but never completely. Unlike Christianity (or how I perceived it), the power was no longer nebulously in the hands of a God, but within me. And, after living dependent and amidst control for so long, I found atheism, like Buddhism, so empowering - it was the complete opposite side of the spectrum. And, it wasn't just the [dis] belief that I found empowering - it was the whole exploration, the questions that led me to more questions - like secret rooms I never knew existed. It was the idea that there might be another way. It was a way of getting my power back, and discovering the extent of my power, without any crutch. And, I'm not saying that if you're a Christian, God is your crutch. I'm just saying that for me, I almost needed to reject it altogether, let my house of cards fall, and rebuild.
And, in this rebuilding I still find myself wanting to believe. In something - whether it's karma or energy or a higher power or love and humanity. And, just as one can't prove there is a god, one also cannot prove that there isn't. I find this uncertainty - this mystery and wonder - fascinating. And, maybe that is why I haven't fully subscribed to atheism - because it seems so...certain. So defined. Much like the religion of my childhood.
So, perhaps that makes me agnostic.
And now on my mom's prayer list.
I feel like I'm out of the closet.
But, I'm obviously not alone out here.
Speaking of alone, the bar is getting sparse. Charlie's mom had to go home to Charlie; Sue, Annie, and Bess were tired. Lena jetted early as well when she learned the jukebox didn't have any Joni Mitchell. I almost joined her as she had a brand new issue of The Sun waiting for her at home. But, I knew Jessie, Colleen, and all of you were coming, so I stayed. And, now here we are. It's quite late...nearing last call, in fact. But, I think there's time for one last song on the jukebox...I think Hazel has some quarters. So, cheers. cheers to the questions. the mystery and the secret rooms. cheers to this ongoing conversation.
g'nite.
24 comments:
and, can I just say I am very much endeared by kristen, hb, and other Christian readers. we're all on the journey, finding our way. thank you for not judging...
love love love. that is EXACTLY the song I would pick for this situation. and I'd order us a round of shots too... perhaps the three wisemen would be an appropriate choice?
This was awesome. I like that you set a scene I literally could see in my head. There comes a point in life where we do have to pick what we believe and not what our parents believe. I've tweaked what I was raised to believe to suit my life. I'll always be a christian but I don't use God as a crutch either. I can't imagine not having prayer or going to church BUT I also can't imagine that if I cuss or drink I'm going to hell either. I've adapted my own beliefs. And Carin, I really admire you for doing the same even if it's not at all what your parents or family thought was ok. Love this post and this blog. Xo
You are awesome. It is a good feeling to search and reach and become who you really are instead of who your parents and society say you should be.It is brave, and more people should do it. I can only hope that my son adopts the attitude of spreading his wings and searching for what he wants to belive in, rather than following the pack. And this is in all things, including religion. I know giving him the right foundation will help him make the right choices, not forcing things down his throat...or worse yet the old " OH WHAT WILL PEOPLE THINK?" attitude that so many have...after all, this is the year 2012, not 1950. Gimme a break. I'm a Democrat! I'm a Buddist! You're a Catholic Republican? and you're a Muslim? And you're a Jew? AWESOME? we can all say it out loud. SUP BITCHES!!!?! :D
A thousand yeses to the "wanting to believe" paragraph. I remember during college going to hear a speaker who described himself as being "hard-wired for faith." Believing in SOMETHING was just a part of him, much like the color of his eyes/skin/hair...even after his church turned its back on him for being gay...a situation in which a lot of people would give religion the finger, and who could blame them. That rang really true with me in a time when I was really struggling with defining my beliefs. I think that half the battle is learning to let go of that very struggle to define. Whatever you are, even if it's fluid or hazy or even contradictory, is okay. Hard to truly accept when you were raised to believe that rejecting the church is the very worst thing you could possibly do, but we're getting there. Pretty much every major religion places incredible value on love, compassion, and selflessness (...now whether or not the institutions act that out in practice is another topic...) -- and from what I've learned about you from reading your blog, it seems like you've got that all down and then some.
Loved this post! Keep sharing whatever you're comfortable with, PLEASE. We're all in different corners of the earth, physically and symbolically - and the thing I love most about blogs is the infinite knowledge we can all share with each other. I might never hear of the books or articles you read (or any of the others who are awesome enough to join this party)...so I implore you to keep doing exactly what you are doing. You share your thoughts in such a poignant way that we can't all but help wanting to raise our frosty beer mugs, no matter what walk of life we are on.
I commented yesterday and wanted to add something that really helped me out. After I was a young divorced mama with a 2 year old (how in the HELL did that happen to ME?? My life was "PERFECT"!!), I had a nice, little existential crisis: Who am I? What did I believe in? Why did I, of all people, have to go through so much hurt and grief?? My core was rocked and I questioned everything...my religion, my "friends"...you name it. When we are defined by marriage/religion/friends...and when those dynamics change, everything crumbles. For me, it all happened about 9 years ago. So, I'll tell you that this journey, this "finding out," this redefining of yourself - THIS is what evolved, thoughtful people do. And, I was finally empowered by the simple fact that there will NEVER be a period at the end of the sentence of we are because we're always evolving. There are so many analogies but...stagnant water becomes disgusting over time, right? Keep growing, evolving, liking new things. That's the point of life. Regarding religion, I learned to walk into a church, temple, forest...and find God in ALL of those places. I allow myself to be mesmerized, inspired, empowered by all of the beauty and positivity that exists in all religions (most, anyway). And it extends throughout who we are. I love Bohemian skirts AND a Chloe bag (yes, please!) I can drink a Michelob Ultra today and have a glass of Opus One tomorrow. There is no reason to box yourself in...to fit any mold. And, that's the BEST part. I look like a hippie from Berkeley today (it's Friday!!) but yesterday, I had a board meeting and dressed appropriately. The commonality, the consant in my life, what "defines" me per se...is the kindness at my core. Your core is kind, compassion, strong (from what I can tell!) - it resides within you. At all times. So, go out there...take a bite of Buddhism, Atheism, Christianity...blend it together, make a nice little cocktail of it all. Like decorating, mix up some modern with vintage. What makes it special is how you put it all together...and that's what makes each of us special, too. Sorry this is so long! ~s
How in the world could I judge someone who is so vulnerable and humble about where they are in life? I love you for that, Carin. Keep on your journey. Keep asking your questions. And if you ever feel judged by Christians, I'm sorry. Christians can bad very bad at representing God sometimes. And THAT kinda crap makes me sad.
I too have been to the depths and back, so when I speak of my faith, I don't do so flippantly. I just wanted to say that.
And whether you eventually conclude there is a God, or not…if it’s ok, I'll still believe that He sees you and your dreams and has a really good plan for your future.
Oh, and can I come to the bar too--pretty, pretty please?!
Wow. That was awesome. Keep writing.
Your writing never ceases to inspire me. Please keep blogging!
The unknown used to scared me...now...I "see" it as a field of possibilities...and I'm willing to step into this inviting land of questions and answers...a place I want to visit...where I am free to review and change my perspectives.
I am a feeler. I follow my soul's lead, listen to my heart's wisdom, intuition, gut feeling, pay attention to my energy centers (Chakras) and have a spiritual connection with myself, a higher power, a loving God and the Universe. I disconnect often, I am human, what I "know" is that when I am connected I have a feeling of certainty, can feel a powerful force surrounding me and I am filled with loving~kindness and peace. I have learned to ground myself in spirit and develop my own inner resourcefulness and independence. :)))
Loving your thought~provoking posts and the good conversation...Thank you so much for sharing.
"I have faith in all those things that are not yet said.
I want to set free my most holy feelings.
What no one has dared to want
will be for me impossible to refuse."
~Rainer Maria Rilke
"The power was no longer nebulously in the hands of a god, but within me." Wow! That is it in a nutshell. Can't tell you how much the statement "It's all in Gods hands" or "It's all part of God's plan for me", Drives me absolutely WILD!! Have some damn control and confidence in yourself to make decisions and live your own life! You are on a wonderful and exciting journey Carin! Stay strong and keep your head and heart open!
Awesome post. I love your creativity and your insight.
Oh, I definitely would have stayed for the Indigo Girls!
what u need
to believe in
is urself
the rest follows
why the need
to put labels
and tag people
especially with religion
we certainly
r in sync
at this time
in r lives
living in a muslim country
has been a mixture of
love for the people
completely NOT understanding
how people continue "traditions"
as in roles of gender
status
living ur life
by others choices for u
whether it makes u happy or not
i search for how people
blindly accept things
and despite
not living how they choose
AND being unhappy
and accepting
it is ur fate
for me
it sounds like
a life prison term
i question everything
i firmly believe
we r all the same
and it is where u were born
and raised
is all by chance
i COULD be
the mom holding
the starved child
begging on the streets
for a few taka
i dislike labeling
and so called clubs
u have to believe a
or b will happen
were we really
put on this earth
to live in fear
not in control
of r choices
be shunned because
we don't use the same label
so that is what many define us
i am many things
my beliefs
r only a part of me
and in no way define
who or what i am
i can not imagine
not meeting some
of the greatest people
that have crossed my path
just because
i don't call myself
a muslim, jew, christian
there is so much more
out there c
to love
embrace
and learn from others
continue ur journey
but it wouldn't hurt
to spend less time defining
and more time
trying out
or seeing something new
the world is huge
i hope dhaka is still
on ur map
miss u
love ur writing
xoxo rosa
ps: do u need an mp3 player?
Amen to Rosa. She said it so well.
Loved your post. You are most definitely a writer, a great writer. I only read a handful of blogs and enjoy them all but as someone else said your posts are so thought-provoking and I love that. So thank you.
(Also love that you like you've got mail. I must have watched that over and over when breast-feeding my daughter who is now 12. Could quote the whole film)
I think we would have had a good night.
Were you taking the micky out of my english accent by the way...! X
I love your pure honesty.
I love that you are uninhibited.
I love your passion.
I love your heart.
I love your creativity.
I love your humor.
I love your fabulous soul.
Ummmm...Love this one, Carin. Love the way you set the scene. Here's what I think about the yearning. We need language to talk about the new god that we are seekiing. The old language doesn't work for us any more. We are all seekers and here is my confession: Before I go to sleep at night sometimes I like to watch those horrid televangelists. You know, the ones with the Big Hair or the plastered hair or the white Nehru jackets or the ones imploring you to send in your Seed Money to spread the gospel so that you too can be blessed. How do you think he got that Rolex watch? Yes! It's the seed money. Somehow they take me to another place and I watch from a distance what I once believed. I also am crazy nuts over lots of different kinds of music, but my favorite really is old time gospel. Give me Elvis singing In the Garden and I'm happy or the Southern Gospel Quartets doing a jazzy gospel tune makes me clap my hands and smile. So, Carin, we are all so much a mixture of Joni Mitchell and the Blackwood Brothers, of yin and yang every step of the way. Keep on writing, my dear once-removed cousin.
So much fun to read this one. Love how you pieced it together...and it felt so real.
Hello Again!
26 in the house! My real name is Sharayah by the way, in case you were curious who this 26 was :) So I guess I can say, Sharayah in the house! Okay I'll stop....moving on....hah. I knew that asking you my original question, even though I don't actually know you, you would be very real and hit it head on. And I appreciate that. I like the setup of the scene you describe, so vivid and tangible, I can totally see it in my mind. After reading your post I imagined myself sitting and chatting with all you lovely ladies and thinking of all the routes of topics we could go down, of which I'm sure there would be many. I know one thing I would say is that it makes me sad that the image of Jesus and Christianity is viewed in many negative ways(being a way of gaining Power, Money, Control, Self-Righteousness,Greed etc.)of which is understandable as many people have unfortunately given it this image, so I get it. I would say that I don't believe that is what God is all about and in fact Jesus so very much spoke out against these things. I would say I have such freedom knowing Christ and I couldn't imagine my life any different. And lastly I would play this video because it pretty much 100% sums up exactly what I believe - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IAhDGYlpqY. And then I would dig into my cheese sticks! Which then at some point would probably be followed by some dancing. Maybe I would even bust out the Dougie? Thanks again Carin for devoting your thoughts to this topic, I know it's not all because of my question and that it's something you would've shared anyways. I hope you find what you're looking for :)
Lotsa Love,
Sharayah
I like to think about myself that I do believe in .... hmm .... God/higher power/universe ..... or is it higher power/universe/God?
You know, in something better then all of us, something bigger.
As my friend once put it " I believe in God, I do not believe in organized religion."
Alexandra
A beautifully honest post, thank you :) I am a Christian, but have been through quite the journey - from being bought up in a Christian home with my parents as missionaries and my Dad a Pastor.. to in my early 20's turning away from God and religion completely. Slowly, but surely God drew me back and now I'm on a new journey where I'm still finding my feet and learning every day. It's a tough/crazy/amazing journey no matter where we are and what we choose. Without going into too much detail publicly, my journey is still a long one ... with some (many!) issues I'm dealing with (as we all are!). But I agree with you - the best way forward on our journey, in all our journeys, is to progress with no judgement, just love and acceptance. That's my goal ... what I aim for. Keep posting Carin, you come from a very real place that we can relate to. :) Thank you :)
THIS is why I love writers!! The ability to so beautifully sort & phrase the mad crazy hodge-podge of thoughts that tumble around in my head.
Just the other day I was driving & felt a strange peace wash over me when thinking about religion. I realized that by accepting the possibility that there is no "God," I had become infinitely more hopeful. By confronting that fear, and clearing out the weeds, it had allowed little seeds of hope to sprout.
I'm pregnant with my first child, and I often wonder what I'll tell him about God. I think I'll be honest and tell him that nobody really knows for sure if there is a higher power, but that I AM sure about the power of humanity. And humanity, in all it's richness, is pretty great. :)
I see this happening. Just as you wrote it.
It's funny the things we can all learn about each other through this magical online portal. You write, we read and in a way you act as the medium by which we all come together. The common interest. That's pretty cool.
Elliot.
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